Comments on: Flea drops nearly killed my cat~! http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/ One More Victim is One Too Many Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:28:37 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: AveHurley http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19299 AveHurley Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:21:00 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-19299 I am sorry you misunderstood the thread and what I was trying to explain at the time in the the subsequent emails. My regular vet is terrific and I know these meds are expensive and that under normal circumstances there can be alot more involved behind the scenes and all. What my complaint initially was that they told me it was going to cost $120 and my cat had to stay overnight. That wasnt a problem, although for me that itself was expensive since I live on $700 per month & my rent is $500 of that. In my cat's case, I was also wrong in assuming initially it was the puppy drops as it actually was the cat drops. We checked the drawer they were all kept in and counted the tubes and my son showed me that the puppy drops were in brown tubes from Hartz and the Cat drops were white tubes from Sargent.I mentioned that in later posts. Also according to what the Vet office told me, the Vet never saw my cat as he was away those days. The Vet tech washed my cat, gave her 1 IVF and 1/2 robaxin tablet while in there and the next morning anotehr 1/2 tablet. They told me at 4:00 pm to come pick up the cat. Since I am disabled my son went down for me, with $220 on him as he was going to the store for me after the Vets, but when he went to pay the quoted $120 was told it was instead $485~ He called me on his cell and I told him to give them the $220 and that I would get the rest within a month to them. They took the $220 and said that they would not release the car until I paid in full. This wasn't my current Vet but one I used a few years ago 2x and paid in full both times, but since I moved I used a new Vet in town, but who was on vacation, so we had to go to the old vet. Anyway, this vet's office, would not release my cat and said they would charge $9 a day more each day for board until I paid so my son came home without the cat. We then went to the bank to take out the rest of my money [which was supposed to pay my rent] and went back to the Vets, after calling them and saying we were on our way. They said someone should be there til 6pm but to ring the bell. We got back there at 5:10 and had the cash to give them to get the cat back, as I only get 1 check a month, but have occasional art card sales online that might help pay earlier, but IF I had to leave the cat til my next check that would have cost me an additional $270 + the balance of the emergency care. I felt I was being strong armed at the moment but knew I would be in the same position the following month, so I used my rent money to pay the Vet bill. No one answered the bell. We rang and stayed there til 5:30 hoping someone would answer the door so we could pay and bring the cat home. We had to leave and return in the morning, paying the balance + the $9 overnite board~She was discharged with 1/2 pill of Robaxin ~ [human pill cut in half~ as I could recognize it since I take Robaxin too~!] Now this is a country doctor's office, so perhaps they do things differently than where you are from~ Also I know when it is complicated, that Vet intervention and additional meds can be expensive but usually after a hospitalization there is a followup visit. They didnt even give my cat a followup visit. Also when they put the Frontline on my cat, they said I was going to get the tube, however they instead put it on my cat before she came home.Although I had inquired over the phone about a safer flea drop solution, I didnt actually ask them to put it on her and didnt think putting any on while she was that weak after such a horrible reaction, that they shouldnt have put it on her~ Also it was more expense added to the bill. So my cat while she did get the bath and the one bag of fluid and a couple of pills, didnt get the kind of care you talk about. Had she received actual doctor care and shots etc., I could better understand a higher bill. She was also allergic to the Frontline that the tech put on her. When I called them earlier about it I was only asking questions, not asking them to put that on her, but of course it was added to the bill, thus my perception of something that shouldnt have been done and the idea of holding my cat hostage after she was ready to go home and I had already paid nearly 1/2 the bill and had previous history with them as always paying my bills on time, that they could have let her come home with me the first day, which was at the 19 hr mark when they said she could come home.Maybe you do things differently.... It was insult to injury but I do understand that Vets might get ripped off by people but I never ripped off any vet~Still the problem wasnt the vets- as my later threads mentioned. I have no problem with the vet as they did save my cat's life. Honestly, if they told me ahead of time that it could get significantly higher than the $120- such as the $485 that they charged me~ I probably would have had to have had my cat euthanized~ which would have been a shame, but I simply could not afford that amount. My landlord was furious with having to wait a month for me to totally catch up as I gave him what I had left after paying the Vet & the rest with the next month's rent, making my landlord wait instead.I could have been evicted for not paying my full rent on time. I was broke and grounded all summer as I couldnt re-register my car either til August because of the high vet bill. Now even so~ I brought the flea drops tube to the Vet when my cat first convulsed. I didnt know that Sargents would actually be responsible for the bill. I only found out a couple of days later when I got online about this. I never used flea drops before this time.I assumed they were safe. I usually relied on flea collars but this time even with new flea collars they still got fleas. We got the drops on sale and were saving them for August when the collars were supposed to expire, but didnt. I was going to get new collars in the morning but to give relief to the cats, I divided one tube among 3 cats~ only 2 drops each. I did do them right on the backs of their necks, but I only used 2 drops instead of the whole tube, so I cant begin to imagine what a whole tube would have done to her~ My son found out that Sargents would reimburse vet bills relating to their product but I had already discarded the package and didnt know where the receipt was. Sargents told him that all we needed was the empty tube so they can check the vat# to see which source produced it for them and told him that they outsource it and perhaps dilution was wrong and it was more potent than it should have been so they needed the tube for testing. Unfortunately, the Vet tech discarded the tube. Sargents called us back and said to submit the Vet bill anyway, acting like they were going to help anyway since I was able to provide them with the name of the store I purchased them at but later Sargents turned down my claim. Back to the Frontline that the Vet tech put on my cat before her discharge from their office, her hair began falling out~ She was still losing weight. I called and told them about it but they said it would take 6 weeks to wear off. They said it was only a side effect and not dangerous, that no followup was needed according to them. I was worried about my cat all summer as she lost more fur, laid about sleepy all the time and was so skinny. After about 8 wks she did start growing her fur back and has now regained her weight. You sound like a decent vet~ but if you read the entire thread you would have seen that I wasnt blaming the vet, so when you say "how dare I" and take offense on the behalf of a vet you do not know as though I were accusing you of ripping me off~ I say that when you answer a matter without knowing the entire story, that you have assumed wrong. I understand being ripped off, my car has over 200,000 miles and needs alot of repairs that I can not afford. I do alot of volunteer work and while I try to sell some art online to offset my bills and I work to help other artists to show and sell their art, I dont get paid for 99% of what I do! It doesnt stop me from helping people. I certainly dont force people to pay me up front just because others stiffed me on a bill. It is not my fault that other people rip off Vets~ I never have~ I always pay my bills, despite being broke in between or as a result. While that $265 difference that I had to pay immediately to get my cat released, may not be alot to most people, it was enough to force me to stay indoors home all summer, because I had to then wait to re-register & inspect my car & buy used brakes for it~ I strongly doubt waiting 30 days to receive that $265 would have crippled that vet~ especially since I had been to him a few times in the past and always paid immediately on previous visits. I paid my Landlord the balance of what I owed him the following month and then got my car legal again the next month. I had to do without alot over the summer because of the way the Vet's office handled it and perhaps had I the opportunity to talk to the Vet directly, he may have let me pay the following month. I dont know, but realize his techs act on his behalf. You cant lump all people together as potential nonpayers! My landlord said he would have let me select one of the 30+ cats up in his barn! He thought it ludicrous to pay so much for a ferrel cat~ [ My cat was a kitten found wandering outside the barn at 3wks old when I took her in, bottle fed her and raised her tame. I am glad she is alive, but, when I was given an estimate of $120- I expected it to costs that and after 19 hours of 'treatment' which was written out on the bill as a bath , an IV bag and some pills~ [which I know the price of Robaxin as I also take it & it isnt that much money for a couple of human split pills~] The cat had 1 shot of Valium too~ but they said she responded well after the bath. Had I found instructions, I could have done the same and am prepared to do so if anything like this were to hypothetically happen again. That Vets office also didnt report the poisoning and told me it was up to me to do so~ So perhaps you do the right thing, but dont go assuming everyone is like you. I dont. I am sorry you misunderstood the thread and what I was trying to explain at the time in the the subsequent emails. My regular vet is terrific and I know these meds are expensive and that under normal circumstances there can be alot more involved behind the scenes and all.
What my complaint initially was that they told me it was going to cost $120 and my cat had to stay overnight. That wasnt a problem, although for me that itself was expensive since I live on $700 per month & my rent is $500 of that.
In my cat’s case, I was also wrong in assuming initially it was the puppy drops as it actually was the cat drops. We checked the drawer they were all kept in and counted the tubes and my son showed me that the puppy drops were in brown tubes from Hartz and the Cat drops were white tubes from Sargent.I mentioned that in later posts.
Also according to what the Vet office told me, the Vet never saw my cat as he was away those days. The Vet tech washed my cat, gave her 1 IVF and 1/2 robaxin tablet while in there and the next morning anotehr 1/2 tablet. They told me at 4:00 pm to come pick up the cat.

Since I am disabled my son went down for me, with $220 on him as he was going to the store for me after the Vets, but when he went to pay the quoted $120 was told it was instead $485~

He called me on his cell and I told him to give them the $220 and that I would get the rest within a month to them.
They took the $220 and said that they would not release the car until I paid in full. This wasn’t my current Vet but one I used a few years ago 2x and paid in full both times, but since I moved I used a new Vet in town, but who was on vacation, so we had to go to the old vet.

Anyway, this vet’s office, would not release my cat and said they would charge $9 a day more each day for board until I paid so my son came home without the cat. We then went to the bank to take out the rest of my money [which was supposed to pay my rent] and went back to the Vets, after calling them and saying we were on our way. They said someone should be there til 6pm but to ring the bell.

We got back there at 5:10 and had the cash to give them to get the cat back, as I only get 1 check a month, but have occasional art card sales online that might help pay earlier, but IF I had to leave the cat til my next check that would have cost me an additional $270 + the balance of the emergency care. I felt I was being strong armed at the moment but knew I would be in the same position the following month, so I used my rent money to pay the Vet bill.

No one answered the bell. We rang and stayed there til 5:30 hoping someone would answer the door so we could pay and bring the cat home. We had to leave and return in the morning, paying the balance + the $9 overnite board~She was discharged with 1/2 pill of Robaxin ~ [human pill cut in half~ as I could recognize it since I take Robaxin too~!]

Now this is a country doctor’s office, so perhaps they do things differently than where you are from~

Also I know when it is complicated, that Vet intervention and additional meds can be expensive but usually after a hospitalization there is a followup visit.

They didnt even give my cat a followup visit. Also when they put the Frontline on my cat, they said I was going to get the tube, however they instead put it on my cat before she came home.Although I had inquired over the phone about a safer flea drop solution, I didnt actually ask them to put it on her and didnt think putting any on while she was that weak after such a horrible reaction, that they shouldnt have put it on her~ Also it was more expense added to the bill.

So my cat while she did get the bath and the one bag of fluid and a couple of pills, didnt get the kind of care you talk about. Had she received actual doctor care and shots etc., I could better understand a higher bill.

She was also allergic to the Frontline that the tech put on her. When I called them earlier about it I was only asking questions, not asking them to put that on her, but of course it was added to the bill, thus my perception of something that shouldnt have been done and the idea of holding my cat hostage after she was ready to go home and I had already paid nearly 1/2 the bill and had previous history with them as always paying my bills on time, that they could have let her come home with me the first day, which was at the 19 hr mark when they said she could come home.Maybe you do things differently….

It was insult to injury but I do understand that Vets might get ripped off by people but I never ripped off any vet~Still the problem wasnt the vets- as my later threads mentioned. I have no problem with the vet as they did save my cat’s life.

Honestly, if they told me ahead of time that it could get significantly higher than the $120- such as the $485 that they charged me~ I probably would have had to have had my cat euthanized~ which would have been a shame, but I simply could not afford that amount. My landlord was furious with having to wait a month for me to totally catch up as I gave him what I had left after paying the Vet & the rest with the next month’s rent, making my landlord wait instead.I could have been evicted for not paying my full rent on time.

I was broke and grounded all summer as I couldnt re-register my car either til August because of the high vet bill. Now even so~ I brought the flea drops tube to the Vet when my cat first convulsed.

I didnt know that Sargents would actually be responsible for the bill. I only found out a couple of days later when I got online about this.

I never used flea drops before this time.I assumed they were safe.

I usually relied on flea collars but this time even with new flea collars they still got fleas.

We got the drops on sale and were saving them for August when the collars were supposed to expire, but didnt. I was going to get new collars in the morning but to give relief to the cats, I divided one tube among 3 cats~ only 2 drops each.

I did do them right on the backs of their necks, but I only used 2 drops instead of the whole tube, so I cant begin to imagine what a whole tube would have done to her~

My son found out that Sargents would reimburse vet bills relating to their product but I had already discarded the package and didnt know where the receipt was. Sargents told him that all we needed was the empty tube so they can check the vat# to see which source produced it for them and told him that they outsource it and perhaps dilution was wrong and it was more potent than it should have been so they needed the tube for testing. Unfortunately, the Vet tech discarded the tube. Sargents called us back and said to submit the Vet bill anyway, acting like they were going to help anyway since I was able to provide them with the name of the store I purchased them at but later Sargents turned down my claim.

Back to the Frontline that the Vet tech put on my cat before her discharge from their office, her hair began falling out~ She was still losing weight.

I called and told them about it but they said it would take 6 weeks to wear off. They said it was only a side effect and not dangerous, that no followup was needed according to them.

I was worried about my cat all summer as she lost more fur, laid about sleepy all the time and was so skinny. After about 8 wks she did start growing her fur back and has now regained her weight.

You sound like a decent vet~ but if you read the entire thread you would have seen that I wasnt blaming the vet, so when you say “how dare I” and take offense on the behalf of a vet you do not know as though I were accusing you of ripping me off~ I say that when you answer a matter without knowing the entire story, that you have assumed wrong.

I understand being ripped off, my car has over 200,000 miles and needs alot of repairs that I can not afford. I do alot of volunteer work and while I try to sell some art online to offset my bills and I work to help other artists to show and sell their art, I dont get paid for 99% of what I do! It doesnt stop me from helping people. I certainly dont force people to pay me up front just because others stiffed me on a bill.

It is not my fault that other people rip off Vets~
I never have~ I always pay my bills, despite being broke in between or as a result.

While that $265 difference that I had to pay immediately to get my cat released, may not be alot to most people, it was enough to force me to stay indoors home all summer, because I had to then wait to re-register & inspect my car & buy used brakes for it~

I strongly doubt waiting 30 days to receive that $265 would have crippled that vet~ especially since I had been to him a few times in the past and always paid immediately on previous visits.

I paid my Landlord the balance of what I owed him the following month and then got my car legal again the next month.

I had to do without alot over the summer because of the way the Vet’s office handled it and perhaps had I the opportunity to talk to the Vet directly, he may have let me pay the following month. I dont know, but realize his techs act on his behalf. You cant lump all people together as potential nonpayers!

My landlord said he would have let me select one of the 30+ cats up in his barn! He thought it ludicrous to pay so much for a ferrel cat~ [ My cat was a kitten found wandering outside the barn at 3wks old when I took her in, bottle fed her and raised her tame. I am glad she is alive, but, when I was given an estimate of $120- I expected it to costs that and after 19 hours of 'treatment' which was written out on the bill as a bath , an IV bag and some pills~ [which I know the price of Robaxin as I also take it & it isnt that much money for a couple of human split pills~] The cat had 1 shot of Valium too~ but they said she responded well after the bath. Had I found instructions, I could have done the same and am prepared to do so if anything like this were to hypothetically happen again.

That Vets office also didnt report the poisoning and told me it was up to me to do so~

So perhaps you do the right thing, but dont go assuming everyone is like you. I dont.

]]> By: CBJ http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19269 CBJ Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:39:21 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-19269 First off, let me say that I am so thankful that your kitty has recovered from this horrific occurrence. You obviously love your pets very much and I know how terrifying the entire experience must I have been. I am an Er vet. I see dozens of cases like this every year. Not only cases of cats getting the dog medication, but cats being exposed to the dog medication (from laying on shared beds or grooming their best doggy buddy), and even cats reacting to CAT labeled products and dogs reacting to DOG labeled products. I HATE OTC flea and tick products! Not only do I think they fail to work 99% of the time, I think they are ticking time bombs of toxicity. AveHarley, you had my complete sympathy and support....until you started attacking the veterinary community. I actually think that for a 36 hour visit, the bill presented to you was quite reasonable if your kitty had IVF and multiple injections of robaxin (it is a very expensive injectable drug!). Please remember that you are paying for repeated exams, cage space, supplies, doctor and licensed technician time, medications, and equipment. I don't see anywhere where something could have been 'padded' in that total! If YOU had been in the hospital for 36 hours and received these same treatments, I can promise you this bill would be in the thousands. We use the same equipment and medications and go to a 4 year medical school just like human doctors. Why should they trust you to come back and pay your bill just because they've seen you one other time? This past spring I treated the dog of a friend of my husband. Someone my husband had known for FIFTEEN YEARS. You would think this would be someone I could trust right? Wrong. He paid by credit card and then reversed the charges and disappeared. As a result, guess who's pay check it came out of? Traditionally people don't screw over their regular vet because they do have a relationship, E-clinics get ripped off much more frequently and as a result we NEVER bill. If we don't get payment we can't pay OUR bills, can't buy the supplies we need to stay open, and can't pay our staff, and can't be there to help other patients in the future. And if you think we're all rich from 'padding our bills', think again. I drive a 10 year old truck with 150,000 miles that needs a break job that I can't afford, am 34 years old and live in a house I rent from my parents. And the comment "that the American Vet associations should lobby to ban these products from public sales.. but then again you would have less business too…" from your response to K.G. HOW DARE YOU imply that we would want animals to suffer so that we could profit!!! What kind of person are you?! For your information EVERY SINGLE CASE of flea product toxicity I see I report to OSU and the EPA!! The goal being to shut Hartz/sargeants,etc down! Before you start throwing stones try taking care of the pets you have first. You've already stated on this board that at least one of your cats is not spayed. Before adding to your huge pet family, I suggest that you find a way to properly care (spay/neuter, vaccinate and start a fund for future medical emergencies) for those that you already have. Pets are not a right, they are a responsibility. First off, let me say that I am so thankful that your kitty has recovered from this horrific occurrence. You obviously love your pets very much and I know how terrifying the entire experience must I have been. I am an Er vet. I see dozens of cases like this every year. Not only cases of cats getting the dog medication, but cats being exposed to the dog medication (from laying on shared beds or grooming their best doggy buddy), and even cats reacting to CAT labeled products and dogs reacting to DOG labeled products. I HATE OTC flea and tick products! Not only do I think they fail to work 99% of the time, I think they are ticking time bombs of toxicity. AveHarley, you had my complete sympathy and support….until you started attacking the veterinary community.

I actually think that for a 36 hour visit, the bill presented to you was quite reasonable if your kitty had IVF and multiple injections of robaxin (it is a very expensive injectable drug!). Please remember that you are paying for repeated exams, cage space, supplies, doctor and licensed technician time, medications, and equipment. I don’t see anywhere where something could have been ‘padded’ in that total! If YOU had been in the hospital for 36 hours and received these same treatments, I can promise you this bill would be in the thousands. We use the same equipment and medications and go to a 4 year medical school just like human doctors. Why should they trust you to come back and pay your bill just because they’ve seen you one other time? This past spring I treated the dog of a friend of my husband. Someone my husband had known for FIFTEEN YEARS. You would think this would be someone I could trust right? Wrong. He paid by credit card and then reversed the charges and disappeared. As a result, guess who’s pay check it came out of? Traditionally people don’t screw over their regular vet because they do have a relationship, E-clinics get ripped off much more frequently and as a result we NEVER bill. If we don’t get payment we can’t pay OUR bills, can’t buy the supplies we need to stay open, and can’t pay our staff, and can’t be there to help other patients in the future. And if you think we’re all rich from ‘padding our bills’, think again. I drive a 10 year old truck with 150,000 miles that needs a break job that I can’t afford, am 34 years old and live in a house I rent from my parents. And the comment “that the American Vet associations should lobby to ban these products from public sales.. but then again you would have less business too…” from your response to K.G. HOW DARE YOU imply that we would want animals to suffer so that we could profit!!! What kind of person are you?! For your information EVERY SINGLE CASE of flea product toxicity I see I report to OSU and the EPA!! The goal being to shut Hartz/sargeants,etc down! Before you start throwing stones try taking care of the pets you have first. You’ve already stated on this board that at least one of your cats is not spayed. Before adding to your huge pet family, I suggest that you find a way to properly care (spay/neuter, vaccinate and start a fund for future medical emergencies) for those that you already have. Pets are not a right, they are a responsibility.

]]> By: Snowcat http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-18250 Snowcat Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:38:57 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-18250 I am with Alex. It is high time folks started taking responsibilty for thier own actions. Ave, if you cannot read the fine print buy a set of reading glasses which are probably cheaper than the flea drops, and READ that label. When it doubt DON'T use the product. Also assume means *ass u and me*, remeber that in the future. If you love your pets spend the extra money and go to the vet for thier medications. If you cannot afford this, maybe you may have to give up a few of them to folks who can afford to treat them properly and give them a good home so you can give your remaining pets they care the deserve. I love all animals and foster many cats and dogs waiting for adoption. My rule of thumb is treat them as you would your children and don't skimp, as they are God's gift to us and very very precious. Seeking rewards for your cheapness and stupidity is the MAIN reason our Health Care is such a mess. As I said in the begining, take responsibilty for your own actions good or bad. By the way I am happy that your kitty surived. God Bless. Snowcat60 I am with Alex. It is high time folks started taking responsibilty for thier own actions. Ave, if you cannot read the fine print buy a set of reading glasses which are probably cheaper than the flea drops, and READ that label. When it doubt DON’T use the product. Also assume means *ass u and me*, remeber that in the future. If you love your pets spend the extra money and go to the vet for thier medications. If you cannot afford this, maybe you may have to give up a few of them to folks who can afford to treat them properly and give them a good home so you can give your remaining pets they care the deserve. I love all animals and foster many cats and dogs waiting for adoption. My rule of thumb is treat them as you would your children and don’t skimp, as they are God’s gift to us and very very precious. Seeking rewards for your cheapness and stupidity is the MAIN reason our Health Care is such a mess. As I said in the begining, take responsibilty for your own actions good or bad. By the way I am happy that your kitty surived. God Bless. Snowcat60

]]> By: AveHurley http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16215 AveHurley Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:31:25 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-16215 Thankyou for this information. I am going to report it on Monday and call those numbers you provided. I am also looking into a ways to promote this site so more people will become aware. Its almost inconceivable that even with being such big corporations that they still are getting away with it and animals are needlessly suffering and dying and we the animal owners find little recourse.People as well as animals are suffering by the heartache of losing our pets or the high vet bills incurred while trying to save our pets. It isnt the vet's fault that the costs are so high, its because of the physical devastion to the pet requiring the medical aid as a direct result of the toxins these manufacturers choose to use in the name of corporate greed!! I dont care who they pay off or have as lobbies in Washington, these manufacturers have to be stopped from using these abominable poisons in their over the counter pet care products. They actually deserve to be bankrupted for their reckless use of toxins and their insensitivity to all the victims they have caused harmed to or killed with their products. Its like giving pet owners loaded guns to rid their pets of fleas, but far more devilish, as the pets suffer and die such agonizing deaths from these flea products! Hartz, Sargeants and the others are causing the injuries and deaths and should be held accountable. My cat survived this ordeal but it cost me my summer because of the medical care she needed as a result, which I didnt hesitate to seek veterinary care as soon as she began to react so violently to the Sargents cat flea drops used. I thought I had mistakenly used the dog flea drops, but later my son showed me that the tube I used was the one for cats, but it was only a single dose and I divided it on 3 cats to try and give them a little relief from their fleas. One cat showed little signs with fur falling out and the second cat lost fur and vomited for over a week, the third cat,mine, went into convulsions and seizures and ran about crashing into walls, screaming, til we caught her and caged her then brought her to the animal hospital where they saved her.It has taken her 2 months to grow back the fur that fell out and to become active again!She lost weight and even with added supplemental feedings, remains underweight and sickly looking.This stuff damages their livers big time, so I am sorry to realize that her life expectancy is more than likely shortened considerably. The numbers you provided are a good start for all of us. Thankyou:) Ave Thankyou for this information. I am going to report it on Monday and call those numbers you provided. I am also looking into a ways to promote this site so more people will become aware. Its almost inconceivable that even with being such big corporations that they still are getting away with it and animals are needlessly suffering and dying and we the animal owners find little recourse.People as well as animals are suffering by the heartache of losing our pets or the high vet bills incurred while trying to save our pets. It isnt the vet’s fault that the costs are so high, its because of the physical devastion to the pet requiring the medical aid as a direct result of the toxins these manufacturers choose to use in the name of corporate greed!!
I dont care who they pay off or have as lobbies in Washington, these manufacturers have to be stopped from using these abominable poisons in their over the counter pet care products. They actually deserve to be bankrupted for their reckless use of toxins and their insensitivity to all the victims they have caused harmed to or killed with their products. Its like giving pet owners loaded guns to rid their pets of fleas, but far more devilish, as the pets suffer and die such agonizing deaths from these flea products! Hartz, Sargeants and the others are causing the injuries and deaths and should be held accountable.
My cat survived this ordeal but it cost me my summer because of the medical care she needed as a result, which I didnt hesitate to seek veterinary care as soon as she began to react so violently to the Sargents cat flea drops used. I thought I had mistakenly used the dog flea drops, but later my son showed me that the tube I used was the one for cats, but it was only a single dose and I divided it on 3 cats to try and give them a little relief from their fleas. One cat showed little signs with fur falling out and the second cat lost fur and vomited for over a week, the third cat,mine, went into convulsions and seizures and ran about crashing into walls, screaming, til we caught her and caged her then brought her to the animal hospital where they saved her.It has taken her 2 months to grow back the fur that fell out and to become active again!She lost weight and even with added supplemental feedings, remains underweight and sickly looking.This stuff damages their livers big time, so I am sorry to realize that her life expectancy is more than likely shortened considerably.
The numbers you provided are a good start for all of us.
Thankyou:) Ave

]]> By: Rich http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-16049 Rich Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:49:31 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-16049 I am truly sorry this has happened to you and your kittens. It’s another tragic story in a long line of pet injuries and deaths that bring deep loss and devastation to animals and pet owners. I’m very sorry. Thank you for bringing this forward–as painful as it must be. Hartz has one of the worst safety records in the industry. Their products containing the pesticide neurotoxin phenothrin have accounted for a significant number of the adverse incidents reported to the EPA over the years. Their appalling safety record goes back to the ’80’s and ’90’s with their product, Blockade, which was pulled from the market because of an unacceptable number of animal injuries and deaths. Hartz later attempted to re-introduce Blockade and once again they were forced to withdraw it because of a terribly high number of adverse incidents. They have been forced by the EPA to make numerous labeling revisions and they have been cited and fined for not promptly and accurately reporting adverse incidents to the EPA. Their cat and kitten products were terminated in 2006 when the EPA issued a Cancellation Order (2005) against Hartz because of their deplorable safety record. Please, take one important step to help yourself and other pets and pet owners. Please take the time to report your incident to the National Pesticide Information Center (NPIC). This organization works with the EPA to compile the database of incidents and statistics that will be analyzed and used as a basis for corrective action. The NPIC can be reached at 1-800-858-7378. They are very professional, courteous and efficient. This is a critical step in the public forcing the EPA–one of the most lax oversight agencies in the federal government–to do the right thing and get these neuro-toxin pesticide ingredients out of the marketplace. Also, please call Hartz Mountain once again and report this incident to them. They WILL NOT be happy to hear from you, but they–-like all the manufacturers–-have an obligation under federal law to forward your report to the EPA. As I mentioned, Hartz Mountain has been cited and fined for not properly and promptly reporting these incidents in the past. Their telephone number is 1-800-275-1414. Put the pressure on Hartz by giving them the details and forcing them to report to the EPA. Also, they should be asked to reimburse your medical expenses…don’t hesitate to ask for this. Also, most veterinarians are willing to work with you regarding your financial situation. They have seen first hand the devastation that these products are causing–-they understand the pain and suffering. If you need financial assistance to treat or euthanize an animal most veterinarians will attempt to work with you–-don’t hesitate to ask. Thank you again; so very sorry for what has happened. It’s reprehensible that Hartz, BioSpot, Sergeant’s and others continue to injure and kill thousands of pets–-it’s absolutely unacceptable. We should all do whatever we can to prevent this from happening to others. Communications to the proper regulatory agencies, manufacturers, NPIC, the media and politicians are critical steps. All the best. I am truly sorry this has happened to you and your kittens. It’s another tragic story in a long line of pet injuries and deaths that bring deep loss and devastation to animals and pet owners. I’m very sorry.

Thank you for bringing this forward–as painful as it must be. Hartz has one of the worst safety records in the industry. Their products containing the pesticide neurotoxin phenothrin have accounted for a significant number of the adverse incidents reported to the EPA over the years. Their appalling safety record goes back to the ’80’s and ’90’s with their product, Blockade, which was pulled from the market because of an unacceptable number of animal injuries and deaths. Hartz later attempted to re-introduce Blockade and once again they were forced to withdraw it because of a terribly high number of adverse incidents. They have been forced by the EPA to make numerous labeling revisions and they have been cited and fined for not promptly and accurately reporting adverse incidents to the EPA. Their cat and kitten products were terminated in 2006 when the EPA issued a Cancellation Order (2005) against Hartz because of their deplorable safety record. Please, take one important step to help yourself and other pets and pet owners. Please take the time to report your incident to the National Pesticide Information Center (NPIC). This organization works with the EPA to compile the database of incidents and statistics that will be analyzed and used as a basis for corrective action. The NPIC can be reached at 1-800-858-7378. They are very professional, courteous and efficient. This is a critical step in the public forcing the EPA–one of the most lax oversight agencies in the federal government–to do the right thing and get these neuro-toxin pesticide ingredients out of the marketplace. Also, please call Hartz Mountain once again and report this incident to them. They WILL NOT be happy to hear from you, but they–-like all the manufacturers–-have an obligation under federal law to forward your report to the EPA. As I mentioned, Hartz Mountain has been cited and fined for not properly and promptly reporting these incidents in the past. Their telephone number is 1-800-275-1414. Put the pressure on Hartz by giving them the details and forcing them to report to the EPA. Also, they should be asked to reimburse your medical expenses…don’t hesitate to ask for this. Also, most veterinarians are willing to work with you regarding your financial situation. They have seen first hand the devastation that these products are causing–-they understand the pain and suffering. If you need financial assistance to treat or euthanize an animal most veterinarians will attempt to work with you–-don’t hesitate to ask. Thank you again; so very sorry for what has happened. It’s reprehensible that Hartz, BioSpot, Sergeant’s and others continue to injure and kill thousands of pets–-it’s absolutely unacceptable. We should all do whatever we can to prevent this from happening to others. Communications to the proper regulatory agencies, manufacturers, NPIC, the media and politicians are critical steps. All the best.

]]> By: AveHurley http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15906 AveHurley Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:08:41 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-15906 Hi chet Hi chet

]]> By: chet means http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15879 chet means Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:39:02 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-15879 first to all who have lost their pet my deepest sorrow I am out of work, living only on my SS benifit, when I was working I was able to afford ADVANTAGE, FRONTLINE, for my 2 cats it had worked very good for my two keeping them free of fleas, well because money is so tight for everyone I have not been able to get them the for mentioned, believe me when I say, I have been closely watching them since last time I was able to get it, but this past month has been a very hard month financially, and I guess it was the month also for the fleas to inhabit Louie and midnight, I knew I was not going to be able to get Advantage this time, so I picked up HARTS ULTRA GUARD powder, now mind you like everyone else, your suppose to trust this company, so as soon as I got home, without reading the label, I sprinkled some of it over there beds they lay in, when I finally got to reading the label, the instructions said to put it all over the body, and to rub in really good closer to the skin and paws. Now this was two days earlier that I put it on there beds cause I wanted to see if that helped, but after the two days, I could see they are getting worse, so then I tried calling HARTZ, to ask them why there telling us to rub all over our cats, but then almost in same sentence says harmful if swallowed and if aborbed through the skin.. I have had no luck getting through to the company, so that that should say to all of us beware.. When I could not reach them in person, I got on the internet and found this site which I am really grateful for, as it stands right now there losing some of there hair, and have probably ingested what little from there beds and I am worried.. I will not be able to get Advantage until next week, so I have been bathing them and brushing them as often as I can.. This really should make all of us sick, to think that a company like this would sell these harmful products, I have been watching, they are still eating and are not sick thank goodness, but there scratching is driving them crazy.. I am really so grateful that the day I put it on there beds, that I did not douse them with this stuff.. Thanks for reading this. I still am in shock over the comments here.. first to all who have lost their pet my deepest sorrow
I am out of work, living only on my SS benifit, when I was working I was able to afford ADVANTAGE, FRONTLINE, for my 2 cats
it had worked very good for my two keeping them free of fleas, well because money is so tight for everyone I have not been able to get them the for mentioned, believe me when I say, I have been closely watching them since last time I was able to get it, but this past month has been a very hard month financially, and I guess it was the month also for the fleas to inhabit Louie and midnight, I knew I was not going to be able to get Advantage this time, so I picked up HARTS ULTRA GUARD powder, now mind you like everyone else, your suppose to trust this company, so as soon as I got home, without reading the label, I sprinkled some of it over there beds they lay in, when I finally got to reading the label, the instructions said to put it all over the body, and to rub in really good closer to the skin and paws. Now this was two days earlier that I put it on there beds cause I wanted to see if that helped, but after the two days, I could see they are getting worse, so then I tried calling HARTZ, to ask them why there telling us to rub all over our cats, but then almost in same sentence says harmful if swallowed and if aborbed through the skin..
I have had no luck getting through to the company, so that that should say to all of us beware.. When I could not reach them in person, I got on the internet and found this site which I am really grateful for, as it stands right now there losing some of there hair, and have probably ingested what little from there beds and I am worried.. I will not be able to get Advantage until next week, so I have been bathing them and brushing them as often as I can.. This really should make all of us sick, to think that a company like this would sell these harmful products, I have been watching, they are still eating and are not sick thank goodness, but there scratching is driving them crazy.. I am really so grateful that the day I put it on there beds, that I did not douse them with this stuff.. Thanks for reading this. I still am in shock over the comments here..

]]> By: AveHurley http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15601 AveHurley Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:21:57 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-15601 K.G.~ Of course basically it is my fault to have ever assumed in the first place that buying over the counter pet products were safe! What was I thinking??? Just because they sell them I would assume at most they would be weaker and less effective, perhaps, but I never dreamed they were lethal! I mean my cat got fleas. I bought her a flea collar. Then she still gets more fleas while wearing the flea collar. It isnt like my world revolves around my cat 100% of my time. I have other concerns in life and other responsibilities and things to do. BUT then I see her scratching, all bothered and looking to me for help. I wanted to help her. Yes, forgive me for being so ignorant concerning flea infestations!! I never took a course in flea control, nor went to school for it. I never used flea drops before either, but since the collar wasnt doing the trick 3 weeks after it was applied, I assumed it may have been a 'dud' as it obviously didnt have what was needed to keep my cat free of the fleas that were driving her crazy with scratching~ That caught my attention and so I went into the drawer in the kitchen were we keep our pet products.We buy them when they are on sale and save them in a drawer. The one with the wrapper was written either in french or spanish, but not english. It was in the Dollar Tree store.it still looked simple enough having had a picture of a cat on it, but since I bought flea collars decided to try the drops at a later date. Now my cat needed another collar since hers wasnt working and I wasnt going to the store til the next day, so I decided to try the drops and took the one that was already opened & removed from its carton and used it. I thought they were all basically the same since it is the same fleas that infest both dogs and cats and we have both. It wasnt til she had the reaction that I thought I must have used the puppy drops.I wrote my first post while my cat was still in the hospital. It was later my son corrected me that I hadnt used the dog drops as they were all in their cartons still. It was a single use tube, but I didnt want to put the whole amount on her as I thought I only needed to get a new flea collar in the morning, when I was going to go out the next day. Since she is an inside cat and my sons 2 cats go outside, it was obvious to my ignorant mind that the other cats brought the fleas into my house infesting my cat who played with the the other 2 all the time. So in my stupidity on the matter, I assumed that to place just a little of this single dose tube might give them each relief overnite, but thought that it just wouldnt have lasted as long as if I put the whole dose on my one cat. Thank God I only put 2 drops on each one.. The white one ended up losing little fur and had no ill effects.The larger grey did have spouts of vomiting for about a week afterwards. Had I put the whole tube on my cat, she would have died before the Vet could see her that night. Yes, I was so stupid in this matter, so uninformed as to its dangers since I never heard of any problems with these products before and wasnt even sure that was the cause when I sought out veterinary help. Maybe I over reacted in not waiting til morning and getting a vet that same night, after hours, that I was willing to pay an additional $120 over the bill, to get help for my car as soon as he first symptoms appeared.. I am so dumb, I rushed her to get help and all because I put the drops on her as I assumed this product to be safe! I assumed since it was sold over the counter that it was safe. I never heard of all the reactions other pet owners have already gone through, assuming the same way I did that to put it on my pets that my only initial concern was "HOW LONG WILL IT LAST IN KEEPING THE FLEAS OFF MY CAT?" That was my only concern at the moment, til the cat later went into convulsions.. Had I not been so dumb IN THE FIRST PLACE TO EVER BUY THOSE PRODUCTS, I never would have PUT the dang drops on my cat AND afterwards reading all the horror stories of what has been happening to other pet owners cats and dogs, I see I am not the only dumb one~ Many people make the same mistake, not of just not reading or comprehending the labelling or directions, but in simply applying this crap on their pets in the first place~! Flea drops kill pets and accumulatively poison pets who seem to tolerate them, but still makes them sick.Cats sleep more when they are sick and so some go through mild reactions without the pet owners even being aware of it. Flea Drop Manufacturers do know that their ingredients are dangerous however, but they sell them anyway ~like Hartz, Bansect, Sargents and others can use safer ingredients but since Congress also is stupid in believing the Manufacturers biased testing results have placed all pets in jeopardy since people buy alot of these produts , not aware of how dangerous the stuff actually is... I kick myself for ever buying the stuff and assuming it was safe when in fact it isnt safe at all. I am lucky my cat has recovered now and that the other 2 cats had milder reactions than she did. Thankyou for remarks. I can understand your frustration at pet owners but wouldnt it be more productive to place your frustration against the manufacturers? Obviously professionals such as your self and the doctor you work for, could join together with other vets and be heard more readily by Congress by giving professional and experiential reports on how many people you have to help save their pets each year. If all you vet techs and doctors know people like me use these products maybe once and our pets go through this, that the American Vet associations should lobby to ban these products from public sales.. but then again you would have less business too... My fault was my own ignorance with these products. What is the Manufacturer's fault or professional Vet Techs & Vets responsibility? As a consumer and pet owner, it isnt enough to be scolded after the fact!Everyone knows hindsite is 20/20~ K.G.~ Of course basically it is my fault to have ever assumed in the first place that buying over the counter pet products were safe! What was I thinking??? Just because they sell them I would assume at most they would be weaker and less effective, perhaps, but I never dreamed they were lethal!

I mean my cat got fleas. I bought her a flea collar. Then she still gets more fleas while wearing the flea collar. It isnt like my world revolves around my cat 100% of my time.

I have other concerns in life and other responsibilities and things to do. BUT then I see her scratching, all bothered and looking to me for help.

I wanted to help her. Yes, forgive me for being so ignorant concerning flea infestations!! I never took a course in flea control, nor went to school for it.

I never used flea drops before either, but since the collar wasnt doing the trick 3 weeks after it was applied, I assumed it may have been a ‘dud’ as it obviously didnt have what was needed to keep my cat free of the fleas that were driving her crazy with scratching~ That caught my attention and so I went into the drawer in the kitchen were we keep our pet products.We buy them when they are on sale and save them in a drawer. The one with the wrapper was written either in french or spanish, but not english. It was in the Dollar Tree store.it still looked simple enough having had a picture of a cat on it, but since I bought flea collars decided to try the drops at a later date. Now my cat needed another collar since hers wasnt working and I wasnt going to the store til the next day, so I decided to try the drops and took the one that was already opened & removed from its carton and used it. I thought they were all basically the same since it is the same fleas that infest both dogs and cats and we have both. It wasnt til she had the reaction that I thought I must have used the puppy drops.I wrote my first post while my cat was still in the hospital. It was later my son corrected me that I hadnt used the dog drops as they were all in their cartons still.

It was a single use tube, but I didnt want to put the whole amount on her as I thought I only needed to get a new flea collar in the morning, when I was going to go out the next day.

Since she is an inside cat and my sons 2 cats go outside, it was obvious to my ignorant mind that the other cats brought the fleas into my house infesting my cat who played with the the other 2 all the time.

So in my stupidity on the matter, I assumed that to place just a little of this single dose tube might give them each relief overnite, but thought that it just wouldnt have lasted as long as if I put the whole dose on my one cat.

Thank God I only put 2 drops on each one.. The white one ended up losing little fur and had no ill effects.The larger grey did have spouts of vomiting for about a week afterwards. Had I put the whole tube on my cat, she would have died before the Vet could see her that night.

Yes, I was so stupid in this matter, so uninformed as to its dangers since I never heard of any problems with these products before and wasnt even sure that was the cause when I sought out veterinary help.

Maybe I over reacted in not waiting til morning and getting a vet that same night, after hours, that I was willing to pay an additional $120 over the bill, to get help for my car as soon as he first symptoms appeared.. I am so dumb, I rushed her to get help and all because I put the drops on her as I assumed this product to be safe!

I assumed since it was sold over the counter that it was safe. I never heard of all the reactions other pet owners have already gone through, assuming the same way I did that to put it on my pets that my only initial concern was “HOW LONG WILL IT LAST IN KEEPING THE FLEAS OFF MY CAT?” That was my only concern at the moment, til the cat later went into convulsions..

Had I not been so dumb IN THE FIRST PLACE TO EVER BUY THOSE PRODUCTS, I never would have PUT the dang drops on my cat AND afterwards reading all the horror stories of what has been happening to other pet owners cats and dogs, I see I am not the only dumb one~

Many people make the same mistake, not of just not reading or comprehending the labelling or directions, but in simply applying this crap on their pets in the first place~!

Flea drops kill pets and accumulatively poison pets who seem to tolerate them, but still makes them sick.Cats sleep more when they are sick and so some go through mild reactions without the pet owners even being aware of it.

Flea Drop Manufacturers do know that their ingredients are dangerous however, but they sell them anyway ~like Hartz, Bansect, Sargents and others can use safer ingredients but since Congress also is stupid in believing the Manufacturers biased testing results have placed all pets in jeopardy since people buy alot of these produts , not aware of how dangerous the stuff actually is…

I kick myself for ever buying the stuff and assuming it was safe when in fact it isnt safe at all. I am lucky my cat has recovered now and that the other 2 cats had milder reactions than she did.
Thankyou for remarks. I can understand your frustration at pet owners but wouldnt it be more productive to place your frustration against the manufacturers? Obviously professionals such as your self and the doctor you work for, could join together with other vets and be heard more readily by Congress by giving professional and experiential reports on how many people you have to help save their pets each year.

If all you vet techs and doctors know people like me use these products maybe once and our pets go through this, that the American Vet associations should lobby to ban these products from public sales.. but then again you would have less business too…

My fault was my own ignorance with these products. What is the Manufacturer’s fault or professional Vet Techs & Vets responsibility? As a consumer and pet owner, it isnt enough to be scolded after the fact!Everyone knows hindsite is 20/20~

]]> By: AveHurley http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15596 AveHurley Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:36:31 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-15596 So Gooomba - what is your point? What is your purpose? You say I am responsible. I have taken my responsibility by taking care of my cat, trying to relieve her of her fleas with a product I thought was safe since it was publicly sold and her flea collar was not working as it should have been. I immediately sought out Vet help and had her treated, saved and she is recovering. I suffered watching her suffer and did all I could to save her and not let her die from that crap! You fail to realize that I am writing to warn other pet owners who face similar situations so it will HELP them to save their pets from what mine has gone through. There are many pet owners who dont even know that its the drops they may be using that may be the cause of sudden deaths their pets go through because many simply do not know or associate the onset of symptons with the dang poison the manufacturers use in these products. It isnt just the drops but all their products that have this poison. A man place a video up here a couple of months ago, having normally bathed his large dog with flea shampoo. A normal thing a caring pet owner does, not to harm their pet, but to help rid the pet of fleas. Then his dog gets ill the next day and degenerates rapidly , not knowing the cause- Goes to the vet but treatment was too late and a few days later his dog died!!! Its not the wrapper but what is written on it that is one problem, so whether I used it fresh from the wrapper or not didnt change the reaction it gave my cat! Sorry to say your comments are idiotic, superficially judgemental, not helpfulto anyone and perhaps you are the one who shouldnt own an animal since you apparently lack empathy in your narcissistic approach to this subject. I will continue to write warning pet owners and have already received word on several occasions that my writings have helped other pet owners to find the symptoms on line fast enough to be able to save their own pets, so people like you with your opinions, simply dont matter~! You make me wonder if you could even work for the manufacturers of those poisons~ since you miss the point of why we are here complaining about what happened to our pets and what had to be done to save the ones that survived. My cat was lucky, but many victims here have lost their pets and they too speak up now as this has to get known to the general population and Congress who regulates those who approve the usage of these ingredients in pet care products :) So Gooomba – what is your point? What is your purpose? You say I am responsible. I have taken my responsibility by taking care of my cat, trying to relieve her of her fleas with a product I thought was safe since it was publicly sold and her flea collar was not working as it should have been. I immediately sought out Vet help and had her treated, saved and she is recovering. I suffered watching her suffer and did all I could to save her and not let her die from that crap!

You fail to realize that I am writing to warn other pet owners who face similar situations so it will HELP them to save their pets from what mine has gone through. There are many pet owners who dont even know that its the drops they may be using that may be the cause of sudden deaths their pets go through because many simply do not know or associate the onset of symptons with the dang poison the manufacturers use in these products. It isnt just the drops but all their products that have this poison.

A man place a video up here a couple of months ago, having normally bathed his large dog with flea shampoo. A normal thing a caring pet owner does, not to harm their pet, but to help rid the pet of fleas. Then his dog gets ill the next day and degenerates rapidly , not knowing the cause- Goes to the vet but treatment was too late and a few days later his dog died!!!

Its not the wrapper but what is written on it that is one problem, so whether I used it fresh from the wrapper or not didnt change the reaction it gave my cat!

Sorry to say your comments are idiotic, superficially judgemental, not helpfulto anyone and perhaps you are the one who shouldnt own an animal since you apparently lack empathy in your narcissistic approach to this subject.

I will continue to write warning pet owners and have already received word on several occasions that my writings have helped other pet owners to find the symptoms on line fast enough to be able to save their own pets, so people like you with your opinions, simply dont matter~! You make me wonder if you could even work for the manufacturers of those poisons~ since you miss the point of why we are here complaining about what happened to our pets and what had to be done to save the ones that survived. My cat was lucky, but many victims here have lost their pets and they too speak up now as this has to get known to the general population and Congress who regulates those who approve the usage of these ingredients in pet care products :)

]]> By: LoveAGoomba http://www.hartzvictims.org/2009/07/03/flea-drops-nearly-killed-my-cat-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15529 LoveAGoomba Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:52:14 +0000 http://www.hartzvictims.org/?p=2903#comment-15529 I'm sorry for what happened to your cat but I must say your story does not at all add up. First it's you used this then you used that but either way you put the product on the wrong animal. In my opinion you should not even be allowed to have a furry companion, you obviously don't pay attention to what you're doing. Why would you throw the boxes away and leave just tubes to play a guessing game with.!? Also, you do know that everytime you post you don't have to write a novel; you just ramble and repeat and get upset when others say it's your own fault this happened, you're making yourself seem more unstable as a pet owner. Because in reality it is your fault take responsibilty for your actions! I’m sorry for what happened to your cat but I must say your story does not at all add up. First it’s you used this then you used that but either way you put the product on the wrong animal. In my opinion you should not even be allowed to have a furry companion, you obviously don’t pay attention to what you’re doing. Why would you throw the boxes away and leave just tubes to play a guessing game with.!? Also, you do know that everytime you post you don’t have to write a novel; you just ramble and repeat and get upset when others say it’s your own fault this happened, you’re making yourself seem more unstable as a pet owner. Because in reality it is your fault take responsibilty for your actions!

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